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Bye bye Visa, Mastercard, Paypal, and many others. They can go and play “America First”. We’ll have our own independent system by november 2025.
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A belated clarification:
It does not appear that there are plans for a European Credit Card.
However, …
- There is the semi-private online payment system called WERO, meant as a competitor to Paypal
- There are plans for a Digital Euro (D€) system by the ECB
This is referring to the plans to create digital euro with GNU Taler, right?
GNU Taler (Taxable Anonymous Libre Electronic Resources) is a new secure electronic payment system based on open standards, free software, and advanced cryptography. GNU Taler provides privacy guarantees to the buyer while offering the possibility to audit merchants, making sale incomes transparent and fraud difficult. To online merchants and retailers, GNU Taler offers instant transaction clearance without risks of fake payment methods. Computations needed to clear the payments are efficient and scalable so that banks can pass on lower transaction costs to consumers and merchants. Consumers can withdraw money from their existing bank account into their GNU Taler wallet, detaching their spending habits from scrutiny, in the way cash does.
The NGI TALER project is funded under Horizon Europe (Pilots for the Next Generation Internet) with the aim of bringing GNU Taler to market across Europe.
What’s digital euro? Some kind of crypto?
It’s super confusing when anyone tries to explain it, but it’s actually simple. You get a free as in paid for by the taxpayer bank account from the central bank and you will be able to use that card as freely as cash. No card processing fees, no account fees no nothing.
That said I’d be extermely sceptical about any plans since it would kill commercial banking in our current sense.
It won’t kill commercial banks because there’ll be limitations. Biggest is you won’t be able to take a loan from the central bank, which is the largest slice of the pie for any bank making money. They can also put other limitations, such as no non-EU transactions, or having a max limit per month.
Yeah, but if everyone keeps their money on their dEuro account, what do banks loan out money from? Also most people don’t need anything other than basic SWIFT transfers in their lives.
Not all your money. Most people have more than 1 bank account. So this won’t change that. Also SWIFT transfers also include international transfers, and most people aren’t doing that outside of rare instances. Digital currency is only within EU regions, so this solution won’t affect non EU transfers. As OP said the goal is to reduce commissions to Visa and Mastercard.
are we getting closer to what they have in China 🇨🇳 where by the flip of a switch, the Government can make anyone a hobo whenever they wish?
OK. I’m out of this conversation. Nothing can be a positive outcome of this conversation. So I admit: The European Union is working on the behalf of China, with a hidden authoritarian agenda who wants to make all EU citizens helpless peasants. All actions the EU are taking are not real. They just want to screw us up. I’m moving to the US. Maybe I’ll be better off. (note: sarcasm)
Clearly they weren’t asking that question in good faith, but you countered by cranking the bad faith up to eleven.
I also have concerns with central banks; however, I still appreciate you making this newsworthy OP. Don’t stress if everyone doesn’t share the same opinions. This would be a boring place if everyone was just reiterating why they agree with each other. ✌️
Right now the corporations OP listed can already do that. If you don’t want anybody else to be in charge of your money, then go use crypto.
