And you underestimate the disadvantage of an uninformed and disinterested electorate, a politically chosen Supreme Court and a political system co-opted to serve corporate interests.

Only if you take what I said very literally. The Chinese and the Russians are concluding, I’m sure you would agree.

I’m not sure your allegory is very apt.

Difficult to argue against, except America is doing this too us as well, and we don’t get a vote.

That’s true. The US has been interfering in other country’s domestic affairs for decades. Organising the odd coup, overthrowing elected leaders. Suddenly people are shocked to learn that it can work both ways.

A country with strong democratic institutions are pretty resilient to these tactics. You might not trust the politicians, but you trust the officials, the military and the courts.

It seems that the US has dismantled trust in these institutions for a long time. It has let corporations run the show. So Russia and China have an easier task.

I don’t see anybody stopping you from saying anything you want to say, so stop playing the victim.

Trump is a uniquely American problem. You guys either elected him, or didn’t care enough to vote. Shit, his popularity is still almost 50% now even after he destroyed the economy.

Your argument is that the American people are so stupid that they were manipulated by foreign actors (TWICE) into electing an obvious fuckwit.

Well, ok, if you insist,

Nah-uh. No blaming China or Russia on this one. The United States did this squarely to themselves with the world pleading otherwise. They inserted their own head in the vice and started spinning the handle.

Sure, it aligns with the communist block’s benefit, but the US really needs to be held accountable for its own idiocy on this one. Its the first step in recovery.