That’s just wild. The one silver lining to T2 is that I’m not shocked by anything anymore. It’s still outrageous, but the surprise is gone.

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    By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced

    Ah yes, we’ve already discovered everything. Science is over, everyone, let’s go home.

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        We already have plenty of evidence to conclude zoonotic origin. Bat RNA. Positive cultures in the wet market. Covid genome.

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          The closest sample [BatCoV RaTG13] is a 96.1% match and was collected 7 years and 1000km away from the wuhan outbreak.

          Positive cultures were found in the wet market, but the origin is not confirmed to be zoonotic. Neither bats nor pangolins were being sold at the market. The virus could have arrived there on the shoe of a lab worker.

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            The virus could have arrived there on the shoe of a lab worker

            And it could have been sprayed by flying saucers. How is that any less probable?

            You’re using the words without understanding virology or epidemiology or basic probabilities. We have evidence of prior outbreaks like SARS from the wild and positive cultures in the wet market are major pieces of evidence to back up the origin.

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              And it could have been sprayed by flying saucers. How is that any less probable?

              Because only a trail of infected animals arriving at the market would imply a zoonotic origin.

              positive cultures in the wet market are major pieces of evidence to back up the origin.

              No, because we cannot determine if those virus cultures arrived to the market on an animal, on the shoe of a lab worker or even by ufo.

              The data does not help determine the origin. It only documents the spread.

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                Not at all. You think animals naturally migrated on their own from the forest to the market and would leave a trail? Someone picked one up and brought it in a cage. It only takes one.

                I love how everyone online is an armchair zoonotic expert. Your ideas are inexperienced.

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                  9 days ago

                  Someone picked one up and brought it in a cage.

                  Possibly, but there is no evidence that this happened. No animals in captivatity or in the wild outside of the wuhan market have been found with early strains of sars-cov-2.

                  This is why a lab leak remains as a possible origin.

                  I love how everyone online is an armchair zoonotic expert. Your ideas are inexperienced.

                  Expertise is not required to understand what NO EVIDENCE means.

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                    We have plenty of evidence already, such as the positive cultures and the genomic ancestry, you just don’t like what it points to.