That is what I wonder. Don’t know about you guys, but I feel like a European patriot, even though this maybe does not make sense to some.

Being a true European patriot means to me: caring about all of the freedoms we have, our social democracies, is to value the open pluralist societies we developed since WW2, wanting to protect what the reactionaries want to take away from us, stop those who want to lock us all up, back in the small closed-minded nation-states we all come from, which will ultimately lick the boots of either US or China/Russia.

They are well organized, but what is the organization, the movement that fights against this ongoing attack on our shared values and mode of existence?

The post-WW2 Europe is an oasis of bliss in a world which is on fire, and we are all under attack. How can we fight against this destruction from the inside as well as from the outside ?

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    Fix wealth inequality. Rich people accumulate so much money that there’s hardly any left for average people. Rich people hoard assets like houses and increase their prices and the cost of living. As long as we don’t fix this, things will get worse. As long as politicians don’t fix this other parties will get more popular no matter what they offer.

    Migrants are just scapegoats. They have no lobby, they are easy to blame. They are one piece in a bigger equation. They are used as a ruse to distract from bigger problems. If the housing market was functional it could handle the influx of Ukranian refugees and the way smaller number of refugees from countries like Afghanistan or regions like Africa.

    If countries had funds from wealth and inheritance taxes they could fund a working administration, faster justice systems, working infrastructure and so on. It would be absolutely beautiful and I cannot say why there isn’t a bigger movement for that solution.

    It’s not about taxing 100.000€ in stock, or you inheriting your mum’s cottage, but about taxing people who have been living off intergenerational wealth for decades without ever working at all.

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        22 days ago

        We pay for using that capital. We pay rent, we pay for groceries, we pay for gas. Everytime we pay something, somebody makes money. Tax them.

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          Why would they invest in your apartment if they have to pay taxes on it? Unless they can charge the tax to you as well.

          You’re going to need the public to build your apartment. And sadly, in Singapore where this is the case, rent is ridiculously high.

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        22 days ago

        Capital can’t flee. The money is all bound in assets. How you gonna move the houses out of Europe?

        China doesn’t allow me to own 100M USD worth of assets and live abroad without paying any tax. Why do we?

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          21 days ago

          You do pay taxes in the EU if you own assets in the EU.

          China taxes quite a lot less than the EU I’m sure. Otherwise nobody would have built their factories there.

          Edit: China taxes capital more it seems

          In the European Union (EU), the share of labour taxes (including social contributions) in total tax revenues expanded in 2023 to 51.2%, while the share of capital tax revenues remained unchanged at 21.9%. This indicates that labour taxes contribute significantly more to the EU’s total tax revenue compared to capital taxes.

          In China, the effective tax rate (ETR) on capital rose from 10% to 30% between 1995 and 2018, while labour taxation also saw a slow but steady rise. However, specific figures on the proportion of tax revenue from capital versus labour in China are not provided in the search results.

          For more detailed and precise information, it would be beneficial to consult the latest reports from organizations such as the OECD or national tax authorities.

          https://www.beursgorilla.nl/Index-Koers/150176326/CHINA-Shanghai-Composite.aspx

          But as you can see, the stock market since then has been quite dull

          Edit2:

          In the United States, corporate income taxes accounted for 6.5% of total U.S. tax revenue in 2022. This figure represents the portion of total tax revenue derived from taxing corporate profits, which is a form of capital income.

          For more detailed and precise information, it would be beneficial to consult the latest reports from organizations such as the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) or the U.S. Treasury.

          And the SP500 has been the desire of the world. The USA is 60% of a world ETF

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        21 days ago

        Facotries, houses and even companies can not be easily moved. Even something like a bank needs employees, with certain skills and those have value. You usually can not just move those to another country, unless something really drastic happens.

        The other part is to organize. Something like the minimum company tax is a really good starting point. Most large countries have relativly high taxes anyway. The only reason tax heavens work is, because they have a tiny population and the few hundret jobs created by the paperwork are enough to support them. They could easily be bullied into having normal taxes.

        Also keep in mind the EU has 1/5 of the global economy by itself.

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          21 days ago

          USA has 6,5% tax on capital EU 20%.

          We attract capital because we offer stability.

          Taxing the shit out of their made investments does not offer stability. They’d stop putting in new investments.

          We’d have decay.

          USA is the capital of the world when it comes to capitalism. A world ETF market weighted gives you 60% USA. That’s massive.

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      That’s quite reformist. But I would agree. It would be an ok step to start constructing a socialist state.

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    Communication is key, we can take lessons from USA. Their left wing tries to dehumanise their right wing. This backfired tremendously.

    So, what we should do would be simply communicate with eachother.

    The part that differentiate social democracy from Marxist Leninists is that we do not try to silence people.

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      Hahahaha, ‘the left was mean to the right in the US and now Trump is very angry 😭, lets not do the same and directly give them power in Europe 🥰’

      I for too think the problem of US is there is too many Marxist Leninist in it… Damn Marxist Leninist they ruined it 😂😂😂

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        21 days ago

        The thing you should take from this, is that when you keep antagonising people, they will hate you. 😁

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    Being a patriot is quite dumb if I may say so. And even dumber if you are a patriot for a imperialist and neoliberal organisation that even compared to a so-called liberal “democracy” is undemocratic. Instead of calling yourself a patriot you should read a book. And then call yourself something based on that. And please explain to me what freedoms one has in the EU. Freedom to pay insanely high rents? Freedom to have to chose to heat or eat? Freedom to be exploited by ones employer? I could go on like this forever. I would also like to know where the aforementioned is social and where there is democracy in the EU. And last but not least I would like to know in how far the EU is open. To my knowledge everywhere in the EU the marginalized are still marginalized.