But Elon has no clue why everyone thinks he’s a nazi
Reason # 3,487 to get off/stop paying attention to X, the ‘everything app’.
Free speech absolutism at work
It’s frustrating that we knew he was full of shit when he was saying it. And now the evidence is showing it is bullshit. And it’s like it doesn’t even matter.
They know they can do that sort of shit because they hold the power. They can blatantly and unconvincingly lie, their followers will regurgitate those lies, but neither of them really believe them. They are just posturing and having fun with words, just like fascists always have done.
Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
That’s a neat quote, what’s it from?
We knew it was bullshit about 3 days after he took over when he banned literally the 1 person he specifically said he was not going to ban.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
“full of shit” = “standing up for free speech against governments that are trying to censor political opponents” ?
How is what you quoted “standing up” to anything? Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
Yes. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you might have taken the quoted text and the link as being the same thing, when they are 2 separate things.
The X link is a post from X Global Government Affairs regarding this Turkey censorship situation. Some of the text from it:
X received an order to restrict access in Türkiye to the account of the now-detained Mayor of Istanbul. While we have followed Türkiye’s order regarding the account, we strongly disagree with the order and are challenging the order in court. In the spirit of full transparency, we are sharing the court order and our legal filing below.
The order was received from the Turkish Information and Communication Technologies Authority. These orders require X to block content in Türkiye that is available in the rest of the world.
Lack of compliance with these orders can lead to severe sanctions, including throttling of the entire platform in Türkiye. X complied with the court order while we challenge the order in court because we believe keeping the platform accessible in Türkiye is vital to supporting freedom of expression and access to information, particularly following natural disasters and other emergencies.
In the spirit of upholding due process, we carefully review all the requests under the local law. X has been and will continue to object to removal orders including government requests in courts to protect users when those requests do not align with principles of free expression, due process, or other local laws.
Basically the government threatened X to censor that account in Turkey or face severe punishment, like many censorship-happy governments have done lately. X complied but are taking them to court over their order, like they have done with all the other censorship-happy governments who have done the same thing.
BlueSky banned the politicians account there btw. They aren’t challenging the order in court.
- How is censoring a politician “standing up for free speech”?
- “full of shit” = not a “free speech absolutist”. “free speech absolutist” implies that you will not censor any speech no matter what.
You don’t seem to understand how the legal system and governments work.
They issued a legal request to censor his account in Turkey. Failure to do so would result in severe consequences for X, such as having to take X offline for all of Turkey.
X complied with the law and are challenging the censorship request in court, the only place that has the power to overrule the government.
You don’t seem to understand how the legal system and governments work.
I am not a lawyer but I do understand how jurisdictions work. Elon is not in theirs.
Failure to do so would result in severe consequences for X, such as having to take X offline for all of Turkey.
If he were a “free speech absolutist” as he claims, he would let them.
You didn’t answer my question.
Elon isn’t. X is.
I did answer your question. Last paragraph.
X is.
No it is not. Twitter is a US company with US servers. If you want to argue that the US is now a territory of Turkey, please cite a source.
I did answer your question.
No you didn’t.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
Do you know how legal requests work?
Fascist speech absolutism at work
To Der Elon that’s the same thing.
Expecting Bluesky to do the same in a short while.
Why?
There needs to be some sort of unblockable self-hosted broadcast system where users can spin up their own cloud hosted instance by entering a username and password and choosing one of hundreds of providers for a small fee, or self hosted instance as quickly and easily as installing a single app on an android phone. These with act just like websites, but with a common protocol and API so they can communicate with each other and with clients with no specific add-on. Then, Turkey or whoever could block Turkish ISPs from fulfilling that request, but anyone else could still access the instance in their client as long as their own instance doesn’t block it.
Hostable on a phone, a windows PC, Linux PC, self-hosted VM, cloud rented VM, whatever. And easily portable from one place to another.
Sure, uptime and reliability would suffer, EG when PC is turned off, but that’s acceptable to gain resilience against ISP, central services like google and Facebook and twitter, and government interference.
I have designed a system to do this, using very reliable existing protocols and programming frameworks, I just don’t have the time or money to invest to make it happen.
Is it called the fediverse?
You’ve pretty much just described ActivityPub and the Fediverse.
Anyone can spin up their own instance. You can self host on a machine in your house, or with any cloud provider. You can broadcast messages in Twitter-style or Reddit-style format. Anyone can navigate to your web address and see your messages. Anyone who federates with you can see it on their website. FOSS Android apps are available.
You can’t force anyone to actually read your messages of course, but that’s a different matter.
Hah, I designed one as well!
I think the flow of information has to be fundamentally different.
In mine, people only receive data directly from people they know and trust in real life. This makes scaling easy, and makes it impossible for centralized entities to broadcast propaganda to everyone at once.
I described it at freetheinter.net if you’re interested
Maybe I’m misunderstanding, isn’t that basically what signal does?
Essentially, yes. Great point! I think it needs more features to function more like a social network (transitive topic-based sharing, for one)
I have discovered the Gemini protocol yesterday.
Hosting what they call a capsule would be easy and extremely lightweight and I could surf from an index using an app called Lagrange, available on F-Droid.
Can you explain how your system differs?
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What content broke the laws? Can you give more info? BlueSky has been pretty good so far so this surprises me
I left a precedent in another top-level comment (a screenshot). Also, broke the laws is not my standard in these cases.
Well, that is one way to get off the Nazi platform.
he has blocked before at the request of erdogan multiple times.
Free-speech absolutists gonna free-speech.
Anyone still on Xitter is part of the problem.
Delete it.
No one on X should expect anything better
If they’re still on Xitter it means they approve of this
People on X expected what is actually happening, not what people in here think is happening (and hope it is).
- The Turkish government ordered a legal request to ban the opposition leaders account in Turkey.
- X complied with the legal request, as there are huge penalties for not complying
- X immediately started the process to challenge the legal request in court
This is what most people on X expect, which is to fight for free speech on X.
Just do like I do. I blocked x.com quite a while back now. Along with several other trash sites like it.
I used to use it to find out information on local emergencies and stuff but now you have to log in and they don’t allow search or whatever so I never use it… I have a few accounts there but haven’t used them since at least x if not before I should probably mass delete my accounts there next time something happens
Seems like a good opportunity to frame Musk and Erdogan as allies.
You’re saying it’s not related to musk’s political views?
No. How did you reach that conclusion?
Because framing is usually done in bad faith, when i read that i read ‘they arent allies, the media wants you to think that’
Not necessarily. I just meant in the context they provide for the event.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
No, it’s not. It’s related to the legal takedown request that they were given.
Has Musk ever met a dictator he doesn’t like?
I think elon called Lula a dictator…and called the UK a dictatorship. That makes it even more obvious what he’s doing.
He also said Canada is ‘not a real country’ so…
Yes, but that’s not a dictator fetish (ok, it is, but it is a different one)… He knows dictators are a bad thing to be, because he calls the people he doesn’t like one. But he never calls out actual dictators, he actually makes deals with them and helps them. That says he likes and respects that model of governance, even if he knows it is deeply unpopular and deeply disrespects functioning democracies. And uses it to rouse his stans.
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X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
X complied with a legal order, and are challenging it in court just like they do every other time a government orders something like this to be done.
Put the pitchfork away.
The speech free platform continues to remove speech.
You can speak freely about whatever suits elon :-)
You said it, it’s not a free speech platform, it’s a speech free platform.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
X also are challenging the legal order in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
Elon following Turkish censorship
Xitler.
